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180 Climate Deniers in Congress Received $82 Million in Dirty Money

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« on: May 03, 2017, 02:13:37 pm »

http://www.ecowatch.com/climate-deniers-dirty-money-2383409657.html
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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2017, 08:23:38 am »

How much money went the other way?
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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2017, 09:43:07 am »

If it's any consolation, I'm sure that the day the resource wars well & truly break out - that the checks will mysteriously fail to clear.  & the redoubts in Idaho, Tierra del Fuego, N. Canada & etc. - while lingering for a bit - will still fall in the end.

It'll have been a good run, though.
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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2017, 02:37:51 pm »

How much money went the other way?
The other way? You mean clean, traceable money from climate change deniers? There's quite a lot of that, too.
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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2017, 07:46:40 pm »

How much money went the other way?
The other way? You mean clean, traceable money from climate change deniers? There's quite a lot of that, too.

Here's some info - see https://hbr.org/2016/10/research-whos-lobbying-congress-on-climate-change

Consider the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the country’s largest lobbying organization, and its affiliates, which spent $90 million lobbying around climate change legislation in 2014 — more than any organization, based on our analysis. That same year, one of the highest-polluting utilities, Southern Company, spent an estimated $9 million on climate change lobbying. This is one reason why Rhode Island Senator Sheldon Whitehouse recently called for more corporate lobbyists to aid the climate movement.

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"Between 2006 and 2009, the firms in our sample spent over $1 billion dollars lobbying on climate-related bills and issues. In our data, the usual suspects were most active in climate lobbying: companies in the automobiles and parts sector spent an average of approximately $1.8 million lobbying against climate change-related regulations per year, followed by the utilities sector ($1.1 million), oil and gas sector ($0.8 million), and basic resources sector ($0.8 million).

"However, our data also shows greater lobbying activity among greener firms within these same industries, perhaps because their firms can leverage new regulations to gain a competitive advantage over industry rivals. For example, one of the greenest utilities in the nation, Pacific Gas and Electric (PG&E) spent the second highest amount (an estimated $27 million) of all firms lobbying on climate change in 2008 — just behind ExxonMobil, which spent $29 million lobbying and produces an estimated 306 Million tons of GHG emissions. PG&E openly supported a cap-and-trade system for carbon emissions, and even left the U.S. Chamber of Commerce over the organization’s vociferous opposition to carbon regulation."

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Very interesting data - firms that are more green within their business sector are also lobbying to steer business their way.
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2017, 11:21:02 pm »

I've come to the conclusion that the climate change deniers are of the same ilk as the people that claimed there was nothing wrong with the water in Flint.
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2017, 10:48:56 am »

I think there are very few, if any, people who honestly believe that global warming is not true.  There may be a small number who can convince themselves that human activity has little or no influence on climate change, but it's hard to believe that anyone can see how much crap humans put into the atmosphere, and seriously doubt that it's gotta be a major factor.

What there are a lot of, is people who just don't want to do anything about it.  There's a reason Al Gore's book was titled, An Inconvenient Truth --- doing something about it is inconvenient.  It involves changing our lifestyles.  It involves costs, and loss of income.  It would involve major losses to the most powerful industry on this planet -- which makes them some of the most powerful people on this planet.

And, they're pretty much all people who expect to be dead, before the really bad stuff happens.  They don't care about it, because they don't think they will have to suffer the consequences.  They don't care about your kids.  They don't even care that much about what happens to their own kids, once they're gone.  They only care about one thing --

     doing something about global warming would inconvenience them.  It would cost them money.

And, to such people, they are the only ones worth worrying about.
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2017, 11:36:59 pm »

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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2017, 11:47:44 am »

Yep, & the impacts pile up.  Our rivers carry a lot of organophosphates (fertilizers, insecticides) as runoff.  They go through our water treatment systems, & the discharges pick up a lot of drug & medical residue - breakdown byproducts.  All this drains into the oceans, typically.  Creating dead zones - which further inhibit oxygen production & damage food chains in the water.

The warming & drying trends are causing tree lines in the mountains to retreat, plus intensifying insect & disease damage to the forest.  The lack of trees leaves topsoil vulnerable to flooding - which are more common now, apparently - washing soil & debris into drinking water, & failing to feed mountain streams, creeks slowly, & distribute the water (rain & snowmelt) into more complex ecosystem webs.  Trout, for instance, disappear from muddy water.  Snowmelt is diminished, adding to forest & drinking/crop water woes.

It's a nasty set of interlocking issues/problems, coping with them will require a similarly multipronged approach.
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