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"Uncle Joe" Is Having Some Image Problems

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« on: April 04, 2019, 10:31:56 am »

I'm sure everyone is familiar with the recent accusations of "inappropriate behavior", by Joe Biden.  As of this morning, seven women have recounted occasions on which Biden made them "uncomfortable", with what is now considered inappropriate physical contact.  Republicans, especially The Orange One, are making big noise about it, even going so far as to loudly proclaim that these incidents should disqualify Biden from making a run for president.  Several of them have equated these incidents with the accusations leveled against Justice Kavanaugh, during his confirmation hearings for the Supreme Court.

Which is garbage.

The accounts describe Biden as making the women "uncomfortable", by inappropriately touching them.  All of the women involved, have said that there was nothing sexual about the contact.  They involved gestures such as forehead-to-forehead touching, kissing them on the back of the head, and holding his hand on a thigh a little longer than the woman felt was comfortable.

Joe Biden, all of his life, has been a "touchy-feely" guy.  When he began his political career, it was considered to be appropriate behavior, unless the woman said otherwise.  But, times have changed.  The lines between appropriate contact, and inappropriate contact, have moved.  It's no longer assumed to be acceptable to be "touchy-feely" with someone who hasn't, somehow, indicated that such contact is allowed.  Somewhere, along the line, Joe failed to keep up with the changing standards.

Biden has released a video statement, admitting such.  He admits that some of his past behaviors are unacceptable, by today's standards, and has vowed to change.  He has promised to have more respect for other peoples' (most notably womens') "private space".

Now, let's look at the people clamoring for Biden being disqualified to run for the presidency.  They're hollering that Biden's "sexual misconduct" should bar him from running for the office.  But, how can his behavior be described as "sexual misconduct", when every woman who has accused him of inappropriate contact has explicitly said there was nothing sexual about it?  On the other hand, most, if not all, of the people calling for Biden's disqualification, supports and/or even voted for a man who says he "grabs (women) by the ****".  They seem to think he's qualified.  They compare Biden's alleged behavior to that which Brett Kavanaugh was accused of.  Apparently, they don't see a difference, between "inappropriate touching" making the women "uncomfortable", and ****!!

Yes, indeed, times have changed.  But, I do believe it's much easier to excuse Biden's touching, than it is to support Mr. "Grab 'em by the ****" and an accused rapist.  Somehow, I just can't believe that either of those last two behaviors have ever been considered acceptable -- or the people who practiced them.

 
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2019, 04:19:13 pm »

Yes, by far cg, Biden hasn't sexually assaulted anyone or degraded women nowhere as much as Grandpa Trump has.

I am in the camp of how things used to be between gentlemen and ladies back in our day compared to how things are today in the 21st century. We're not bad men. We've shown how we sometimes feel about women with our touching hands and comments. Many of us have matured with age. I think that Biden will come out of all of this ok. The only few who will bang on Biden as being a dirty old man is the fools who deeply support Trump. I would almost put money on Biden beating Trump in the GE.
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2019, 01:24:54 pm »

I'm pretty sure this whole flap about Joe's "inappropriate touches" will blow over, pretty quickly.  Most people recognize that societal standards have changed, somewhat, from when Biden started his political career, to now.  Things that were acceptable then, aren't acceptable, now.  Biden admits, that he's got to change his "touchy-feely" nature, and respect other peoples' personal space, more than was expected, in the past.

Not that long ago, such personal contact was normal, as a show of sympathy, and an indication that one was listening, and had empathy for someone who had just gone through a personal trial.  Joe was widely known as someone who empathized with people, in trying circumstances - probably a lot because of what he had gone through, in his personal life (the death of his first wife, and of his son).  No one thought there was anything other than sympathy, compassion, and friendship in his contact.  Very recently, societal norms have changed, with the rise of empowered women who are speaking out, about sexual abuse and sexual harassment they suffered, in the past.  One of the things this has changed, is the priority that is now put on "personal space".  None of the women speaking out about Joe Biden are alleging anything of a sexual nature.  What they're talking about, more than anything else, is a feeling that Biden invaded that personal space, making them feel uncomfortable.  It's significant, that all of them have used the expression that he made them feel "uncomfortable".  None of the allegations have indicated, in any way, that they felt fearful, threatened, or violated.

Trump, on the other hand, has been accused, by numerous women, of having violated them - physically, not just by invading their personal space.  For him to comment on allegations of inappropriate contact by Biden, is hypocritical, and ludicrous.  But, as we've all seen, nothing Trump does, is too ludicrous for his "base" of supporters.  It'll be very interesting, in not too many years, how history will portray the Trump supporters of today.
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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2019, 03:29:32 pm »

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It'll be very interesting, in not too many years, how history will portray the Trump supporters of today.
I will be interesting, but there's a sad part of me thinking that our society becoming so warped by reality tv crap that may view Trump supporters as being 'human' in the future. A nation of liars from top to bottom.

Altho I think that Joe will come out ok from all of his handsy lifestyle, a bigger concern is emerging that the Dem Party may not. This is the kind of stuff that causes a party's own to fire on each other. Trump and his operatives will so seize on this opportunity to drag the Dem Party down. IMHO

 
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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2019, 04:14:27 pm »

Right now, according to polls, the Dem race is between Biden and Sanders, each with 30+% of Democratic voters supporting them.  From there, it drops to single digits for the rest of the announced Democrats.  Consider, that Biden isn't, even, and announced candidate, at this point.

In a race just between the two of them, I don't really think Sanders has much of a chance.  Too many people see him as a radical, and his self description as a socialist is going to be off-putting to too many of the electorate - especially to those of us who are old enough to remember the cold war.  Joe can embrace some of the far left agenda (Medicare for all, paid college tuition, social safety net, etc.), without making moderates, like myself, too nervous.

Biden comes off as a likable guy.  He's an accomplished politician, who's familiar with the electoral process.  He's smooth, in his delivery.  People see him as "Uncle Joe" - a grandfatherly person, that makes them feel secure and comfortable.  Yet, he's as knowledgeable about policy and issues, as pretty much anyone out there - especially Orange, whom Joe would make to look totally lost, in any debate.  The Republicans haven't spent over a decade, demonizing him.  And, probably his biggest advantage, is that he's closely associated with Obama, who's still a very popular personality.

I'm hopeful that Joe Biden will run.  I can easily support him.
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